Board Thread:Special Admin Messages/@comment-25793989-20180721041505/@comment-26318250-20180721074808

1. I agree with this point. Editing the userpages of rule breakers is hypocritical, and it isn't nice that two of them are on the front page to be humiliated. However, as far as I am aware, the editing of userpages sort of stopped now, or it happens less than it used to.

2. This point I disagree with.

Ittyyy wrote:

So, why exactly did we get rid of them?

Because they generally made up a large amount of the vandals and annoying pasta believers, and usually weren't the ones making the best edits.

Ittyyy wrote:

Because they made the wiki more alive?

At what cost? At the cost of the Recent Activity constantly being filled with annoying "zOMG i saw ENTITY 303" comments? At the cost of increased vandalism? Sure, some Fandom users made good edits, but the majority didn't.

Ittyyy wrote:

Because they made more contributions and comments then any other user with an account?

Except they didn't, and the contributions they made were commonly junk edits/vandalism/pasta believing.

Ittyyy wrote:

From what I have been told, the main reason they banned them was because 'they believed in creepypastas.' You may think that's stupid, but let me put it another way - You are banning people because of their beliefs. It's like banning all the Christians/Jews/Muslims/Hindis/Catholics/etc. because you don't agree with their religion. Doing something like that would be offensive, am I right? Okay. Well, why ban people for believing?

There is a massive difference between believing in God and believing in made-up spooky block game stories.

The existence of God is disputed. Some people don't believe altogether. Others are 100% sure God is real. Why? Because neither of these has yet been confirmed. The Vatican/whatever else hasn't publicly come out, saying that God was made up. Similarly, scientists haven't come out with rock solid proof that God is real yet. There is a large amount of stuff left up to interpretation. This supposed miracle that hasn't yet been explained by science? It might be a God's sign, or it might have a scientific explanation that we haven't figured out yet. Without concrete proof of God's existence, it might be either of those.

However, the existence of Herobrine, Entity 303 and others has been thoroughly debunked. Entity 303? The creator even ADMITTED that it is fake. Herobrine. Debunked many times, and rejected by Mojang themselves. It's similarly easy to debunk all the YouTube "sightings" of Null, YraniB and so on. The point is, pastas are confirmed to be FAKE. Why should we allow people to knowingly believe in something that is 100% false? We shouldn't.

Ittyyy wrote:

And no, don't complain that they always vandalise etc. etc. because BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SO DO USERS WITH ACCOUNTS! And, another thing, YOU CAN BAN THEM! WOW! Never knew that was a thing.

Yes, so do users with accounts. However, on big wikis, Fandom users slowly stop being useful and begin vandalizing in excess.

When a wiki is starting up, it's good to enable Fandom users. For one, the wiki is small enough that vandals will likely not notice it, and it allows the people who want to edit there, to start off without making an account.

However, on this wiki, Fandom users are unneeded. This is a wiki for stories. If it was an encyclopedia, Fandom users might be useful, as they often make just one edit with good info. It's convenient to be able to quickly edit something without having to make an account, just for a single edit on one wiki. But because we are a story wiki, these edits usually aren't allowed. Adding or removing story parts is disallowed, what remains are grammar and spelling edits. However, many stories are spelled wrong on purpose (i.e. troll pastas, certain chat pastas), plus these edits can be done by other users with ease.

In addition, disabling Fandom users saves us from countless believers and vandals. I will provide some of the block logs for June 2017, when Fandom users were allowed, and we'll see how it goes.

18:37, 15 June 2017 TheMysteriousHood (wall | contribs | block) blocked Kapira (wall | contribs) with an expiry time of 3 months (Vandalism + believing in pastas.) (unblock | change block)

14:54, 12 June 2017 Yoshfico123 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 78.43.42.72 (wall) with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only) (Major spam) (unblock | change block)

08:02, 12 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 76.205.166.233 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:02, 12 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 75.132.14.95 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:00, 12 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 73.91.242.138 (wall) with an expiry time of 1 month (cannot edit own talk page) (Impersonating a creepypasta: + Hateful commenting) (unblock | change block)

07:59, 12 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 220.244.191.43 (wall) with an expiry time of 1 month (cannot edit own talk page) (Talking about ROBLOX) (unblock | change block)

02:16, 11 June 2017 Yoshfico123 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 91.140.55.159 (wall) with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only) (Senary vandalism (Replacing almost, or all the content on a page)) (unblock | change block)

23:24, 10 June 2017 Yoshfico123 (wall | contribs | block) blocked MarkWiki (wall | contribs) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Quinary vandalism (Removing/Adding chapters on a page)) (unblock | change block)

22:37, 10 June 2017 Chicken10 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 138.130.36.84 (wall) with an expiry time of 1 year (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

16:31, 10 June 2017 Yoshfico123 (wall | contribs | block) changed block settings for 108.184.32.194 (wall) with an expiry time of Sun, 10 Jun 2020 02:08:05 GMT (cannot edit own talk page) (Abusing incorrect categories: Abusing incorrect categories) (unblock | change block)

13:35, 10 June 2017 Chicken10 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 203.87.251.232 (wall) with an expiry time of 3 months (cannot edit own talk page) (Minor hateful commenting) (unblock | change block)

04:08, 10 June 2017 Chicken10 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 108.184.32.194 (wall) with an expiry time of 1 year (cannot edit own talk page) (Abusing incorrect categories) (unblock | change block)

23:18, 9 June 2017 Chicken10 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 94.193.37.113 (wall) with an expiry time of 1 year (cannot edit own talk page) (unblock | change block)

07:51, 9 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 61.6.235.136 (wall) with an expiry time of 1 month (cannot edit own talk page) (Endorsing clickbait YouTubers such as RageElixir) (unblock | change block)

07:51, 9 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 67.149.102.38 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Endorsing clickbait YouTubers such as RageElixir) (unblock | change block)

17:52, 8 June 2017 Yoshfico123 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 103.14.27.158 (wall) with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

17:51, 8 June 2017 Yoshfico123 (wall | contribs | block) blocked 166.127.32.12 (wall) with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only) (Minor hateful commenting) (unblock | change block)

08:11, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 115.78.130.171 (wall) with an expiry time of 3 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Quinary vandalism (Removing/Adding chapters on a page)) (unblock | change block)

08:06, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 98.122.163.10 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:04, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked DominikYT (wall | contribs) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:04, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked Rockstarherobrine (wall | contribs) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:03, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 68.194.43.19 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:03, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 121.54.32.97 (wall) with an expiry time of Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:02:51 GMT (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:02, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 121.54.32.97 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (anonymous users only) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:02, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 74.135.34.185 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

08:02, 8 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 184.98.247.52 (wall) with an expiry time of 2 weeks (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

19:36, 7 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 172.77.144.247 (wall) with an expiry time of 1 week (anonymous users only) (Teritary vandalism (Removing/Adding sentences from a page)) (unblock | change block)

17:34, 7 June 2017 SCP-Deadlock (wall | contribs | block) blocked 112.215.238.91 (wall) with an expiry time of 3 days (cannot edit own talk page) (Believing in creepypastas (THEY'RE FAKE, OKAY???)) (unblock | change block)

That's a lot of Fandom users isn't it?

If we break it down by category of offense and the user doing it (Fandom user or account), we get this:

Fandom users: 12 believers, 6 vandals/spammers, 3 hateful commenting, 2 endorsing clickbaiters, 1 unknown, 1 stupid block

Accounts: 2.5 believers, 1.5 vandal/spammer (the 0.5 is because the user was banned for both)

Of course there might be some inaccuracies in here, I could have forgotten to count someone, or miscounted in any other way. But the point still stands - Fandom users were overwhelmingly the vandals and the believers.

3. Repenting is simply for banned users who want to come back. We can't just let every banned user back when they plead. Repenting doesn't really affect the Wiki lives of the repenting user, they just have to be more careful to not break even the more minor rules.