Thread:EnderMaster45/@comment-34414087-20181107235115/@comment-25793989-20181110204035

Prism55Writes wrote: Hey Itty - a good staff member would consult other staff members before reporting users to FANDOM and banning several, over issues that were known. It really wasn't cool reporting users to FANDOM and banning them without

1. Thinking for a second and realizing that the offenses were done before the rules prohibiting them were explicitly stated. This allowed the users to find a loophole which they sadly exploited. You can use the "common sense" thing all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that at the time, there was a loophole exploited - the "admins/staff can bypass some rules", coupled with the fact that people dislike vandals and pasta believers. If you want, we can go and punish France for atrocities committed in the past like torture. Or we could go on and make the US pay sanctions for stuff that they did to the Indians a long time ago. Or we could prosecute literally any country for vile shit it did in the past, back when the stuff it did was legal. The possibilities with this type of "backwards justice" are endless!

2. Permission and insight from the general community before reporting high-ranked users to Fandom. It's a drastic step, and some major community consensus is always great.

Now for your points.

1. We could also apply this to the pasta believers and others who you unbanned without asking for permission from the original user who banned them. I'm sure you don't want that, right?

2. We could also do this for every user about to be unbanned, ever. To be unbanned, the person who advocates for the unban needs permission from 3+ other admins. The reason we don't do that because we trust the admins/bureaucrats to act on their best judgement. We trust you the same way, and we trust the others the same way. When you reported users to Fandom without permission to avenge some people from 8 months ago, you acted on your best judgement. Unfortunately, judgement is sometimes wrong.

I know that you probably want to stir up a controversy around the userpage vandalism so you can be the hero of the story, but don't worry, many people do that. It's fine, it really is. 1. From my memory vandalism and hate speech were always against the rules. Just because the user you are committing the act on is banned doesn't make it acceptable since you still are vandalising and committing hate speech. There is no loophole, no exploitation, no anything to be found that makes it ok. It was there in black and white - don't be a jerk to people. And yes, France and the US and all of that have recieved the greatest punishment of all; having all their horrific stories passed down to generations. They have been publicly shamed in front of anyone who has bothered to pick up a history book.

2. Pop, Blue, and a few other low ranked users all had a say. Pop sent an email too, so it wasn't just me who sent it. It wasn't the biggest majority but if we were to make a forum post saying 'We are reporting bcrats to FANDOM because they did the wrong thing' we all thought that you would just ban us. We were all admins and below at the time and we had all witnessed you guys ban/demote people and promote people over personal opinions. As a matter of fact, I do vaguely remember Pop being banned after she revealed she made an email. She got unbanned but was still under notice. When I became bcrat I did my job and protected her as much as I could because I wasn't letting her get banned for doing the right thing. Imagine if we did make that forum post? All those other low-ranked people would have been banned too.

3. The only people I remember unbanning without permission was Tangy and Carrot, one of whom got rightfully banned again and the other who peacefully went on with their life and eventually left. Tangy was a mistake but Carrot did literally nothing. I haven't unbanned any pasta believers. If I did, my first one would have been Entity 303 is real beacuse of the abuse he suffered which he had no hope in defending.

4. I did react on my best judgement. I had no power in banning or warning or doing anything to you guys at the time, so I decided to ask FANDOM for help. You guys did the wrong thing and you can't deny it. If there was a murder 3 years ago and they finally found the person who was guilty, are they just going to let them go because it was 3 years ago? Time is irrelevant. You did the wrong thing and I tried to take action like a good member of a community should. I held you accountable.

And I don't want to be a hero, a vigilante, a crime-stopper - I just want to do the right thing.